Comments on: Florida Amendment 2 – Voter’s Guide https://www.epiphanydigest.com/2008/10/26/florida-amendment-2-voters-guide/ Business Strategy, Marketing, Sarasota, WordPress & More... Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:09:13 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: David G. Johnson https://www.epiphanydigest.com/2008/10/26/florida-amendment-2-voters-guide/#comment-2604 Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:09:13 +0000 http://www.epiphanydigest.com/?p=105#comment-2604 Jessica,

Now you’ve hit upon the crux of the matter.

It is activists like you who are trying to change the definition of marriage. The government has nothing to do with it. For someone who wants people to remain “unmarried,” you seem awfully interested in getting them married.

Unmarried people already have rights. Your posturing of this question makes it sound as though we’ve reduced them to slaves. If they wish to be treated differently before the law, then questions need to be brought before the appropriate legislative bodies — just as is the case when any situation or group feels as though there is an injustice.

Changing the concept of a centuries-old institution and suddenly giving it new meaning so that you can avoid the public debate involved sets dangerous precedents in our society.

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By: Jessica https://www.epiphanydigest.com/2008/10/26/florida-amendment-2-voters-guide/#comment-2603 Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:04:13 +0000 http://www.epiphanydigest.com/?p=105#comment-2603 Why do you think the government should have a say in who can marry and who can’t?

And what do you feel will be the legitimate way for unmarried people to attain rights?

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By: Florida Amendments 2008 - Voter’s Guide — EpiphanyDigest https://www.epiphanydigest.com/2008/10/26/florida-amendment-2-voters-guide/#comment-2592 Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:15:45 +0000 http://www.epiphanydigest.com/?p=105#comment-2592 […] The Official Blog of Epiphany Consulting « Florida Amendment 2 – Voter’s Guide […]

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By: David G. Johnson https://www.epiphanydigest.com/2008/10/26/florida-amendment-2-voters-guide/#comment-2591 Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:24:35 +0000 http://www.epiphanydigest.com/?p=105#comment-2591 Jessica,

It is clear that you’re focused on achieving your agenda, which is why you’d be willing to jeopardize the rights of all of us by circumventing legal due process.

An amendment such as Florida’s Amendment Two doesn’t determine who deserves rights and who doesn’t. It determines who is “married” and who isn’t.

Obtaining rights for unmarried people should be accomplished in a legitimate way. That is the issue. Period.

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By: Jessica https://www.epiphanydigest.com/2008/10/26/florida-amendment-2-voters-guide/#comment-2581 Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:19:02 +0000 http://www.epiphanydigest.com/?p=105#comment-2581 How can Amendment 2 protect ALL citizens? Gay marriage will be prohibited in the state constitution, obviously making it even more difficult to reverse in the future. The same opportunities must be granted to every individual, whether you are talking about marriage, or just legal recognition. The state of Florida will be able to legally ignore all other relationships that will continue to exist outside the constructs of marriage. Why must marriage be the only option? The rights and protections provided by Domestic Partnerships will probably be stripped away, despite the term still being in existence. Also, if Amendment 2 is passed, one can assume Florida will keep same-sex couples from adopting and becoming foster parents. I am sure married different-sex couples will continue to have that advantage over unmarried couples as well.

The passing of Florida’s Amendment 2 will not protect American citizens. It will determine who deserves rights and who doesn’t. I fear voters will fail to understand the danger this Amendment poses for the future of Florida by Nov. 4th. This will harm ALL unmarried people.

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By: David G. Johnson https://www.epiphanydigest.com/2008/10/26/florida-amendment-2-voters-guide/#comment-2579 Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:20:12 +0000 http://www.epiphanydigest.com/?p=105#comment-2579 Jessica,

Once again, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Fundamentally, the relationships you call to mind need to be addressed in the context of our legal system. I have no desire to remove protections, benefits and responsibilities… quite the contrary: those can only exist when provided for through proper legal grounds.

The equality issues you raise speak directly to the issue that is at stake here. The relationships would not be changed in any way legally by the passage of Amendment 2 (nor by its failure to be passed).

In George Orwell’s Animal Farm, you may recall that equality was agreed upon by everyone. But then the pigs came along and said, “All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.”

What they did was undermine the rights of some by redefining the term “equal.” What you don’t realize — regardless of the LGBT rights you mentioned — is that by utilizing the tactic of redefining terms, every right — civil rights, rights to freedom, even all rights contained within the US Bill of Rights and other Amendments to the US Constitution — are jeopardized when something can be altered by simply giving an old accepted word a new meaning.

No one is being forced to marry. What they’re being forced to do is make a legitimate legal case and mount a legitimate campaign to obtain the sought-after rights. If their case is valid, then the due process (as determined by the documents and laws that govern this great land) will see to it that the rights are granted.

If the argument isn’t valid, then those rights will not be granted.

But this is why we have established procedures… so that the rule of law will remain, not be undermined.

This is why Amendment 2 must be passed — for the protection of ALL citizens.

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By: Jessica https://www.epiphanydigest.com/2008/10/26/florida-amendment-2-voters-guide/#comment-2576 Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:05:44 +0000 http://www.epiphanydigest.com/?p=105#comment-2576 My point David, is that ALL relationships, regardless of marital status should be legally recognized. Do you not not feel all individuals should be able to care for their loved ones? This country should not be attempting to deprive people of necessary protections, benefits and responsibilities. Is it fair to consider some relationships legitimate and some not, just based on whether or not they have a marriage contract? Family Equality is at stake here, not just the progression of LGBT rights, in the context of marriage.

My final argument is, every individual should be legally allowed to marry, though no individual should be FORCED to marry to receive benefits, rights, and responsibilities married couples get. This is why ALL Floridians must vote NO for Amendment 2!

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By: David G. Johnson https://www.epiphanydigest.com/2008/10/26/florida-amendment-2-voters-guide/#comment-2575 Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:56:07 +0000 http://www.epiphanydigest.com/?p=105#comment-2575 Hi Jessica,

Thanks for posting and for sharing your opinion.

Unfortunately, your stance only serves to confirm the reasons why defining the relationships of the “unmarried” as marriages is not a valid way to address the legitimate legal needs of the people you describe.

Those issues need to be brought into the public debate and handled by valid legal means — not by simply attempting to redefine a term for your own use. Since even you can admit that they’re not “married,” you’ve only added legitimacy to my argument.

Solve their legal needs? Yes. Do it legitimately. This is why Amendment 2 makes sense and needs to be passed.

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By: Jessica https://www.epiphanydigest.com/2008/10/26/florida-amendment-2-voters-guide/#comment-2574 Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:47:37 +0000 http://www.epiphanydigest.com/?p=105#comment-2574 “Almost seven million Florida adults are unmarried, including over 860,000 who are living together with their unmarried partners.

Who gets hurt in the long run?

Anyone whose families and caring relationships extend beyond their legally married spouses. The mean-spirited discrimination amendment locks FL into a hierarchy of relationships, unfairly privileging marriage and penalizing the great diversity of families that we live in.”

Alternatives to Marriage, 501c3
unmarried.org

Rethink your perception of Amendment 2! Instead of voting yes, vote NO, Nov.4th!

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